When Mold Becomes a Health Problem with Dr. Andrew Campbell

Most people think of mold as a cosmetic nuisance — a dark spot on the bathroom ceiling or a musty smell in the basement. But for a growing number of people, mold exposure is at the root of unexplained fatigue, persistent brain fog, hormonal disruption, and debilitating chronic illness that conventional medicine struggles to explain.

In a recent episode of the Fast Metabolism Matters podcast, health strategist Haylie Pomroy sat down with Dr. Andrew Campbell, Medical Advisor for MyMycoLab, for a deep and eye-opening conversation about what happens inside the body when mold becomes more than just a household problem.

What Are Mycotoxins — and Why Should You Care?

Mold itself is everywhere. The real danger lies in what certain mold species produce: mycotoxins — potent toxic compounds that can be inhaled, ingested, or absorbed through the skin. Once inside the body, mycotoxins can accumulate in tissues and trigger a cascade of biological responses that are difficult to trace back to their source.

Dr. Campbell, who brings over 45 years of clinical experience in integrative and traditional medicine, explains that mycotoxins don't behave like a typical infection or allergen. They function biologically in complex ways — disrupting immune function, interfering with neurological signaling, and burdening the body's detoxification systems — which is exactly why so many patients go undiagnosed for years.

Common symptoms associated with mycotoxin exposure include:

  • Persistent fatigue and low energy that doesn't improve with rest
  • Brain fog, memory issues, and difficulty concentrating
  • Chronic sinus congestion and respiratory problems
  • Joint pain, muscle weakness, and inflammation
  • Hormonal imbalances and immune dysregulation
  • Neurological symptoms such as numbness, tingling, anxiety, or mood changes

If you've been chasing answers for a collection of symptoms that don't quite fit together, mycotoxin exposure may be worth exploring.


Mold, Mycotoxins, and Women's Health: The Breast Implant Illness Connection

One of the most compelling parts of Dr. Campbell's conversation with Haylie involves his clinical observations in women experiencing symptoms associated with breast implant illness (BII). Many of these patients present with a constellation of symptoms — fatigue, brain fog, joint pain, immune dysfunction — that don't resolve through standard medical approaches.

Dr. Campbell has observed that mold and mycotoxin exposure may be a significant and frequently overlooked contributing factor in this population. The implants themselves can create a microenvironment that, in the presence of existing mold exposure or immune compromise, amplifies the body's toxic burden and inflammatory response.

This emerging clinical picture underscores the importance of looking at the whole patient — not just individual symptoms — and considering environmental exposures as part of the diagnostic picture.

How Environmental Toxicity Makes Mycotoxin Exposure Worse

We live in a world of cumulative toxic burden. Pesticides, heavy metals, air pollutants, plastics, and other chemical exposures don't just pass through the body — they can compromise the liver, lymphatic system, and cellular detox pathways that are responsible for clearing mycotoxins and other harmful compounds.

Dr. Campbell explains that environmental toxicity can significantly increase the likelihood of mycotoxin accumulation. When the body's detox capacity is already overwhelmed, even moderate mold exposure can lead to a level of mycotoxin buildup that triggers chronic illness.

This is why two people can live in the same moldy environment and have very different health outcomes — one person's system may be better equipped to clear the exposure, while another's, already taxed by other toxic burdens, cannot keep up.

For practitioners treating patients with chronic, unexplained illness, this framework makes a compelling case for assessing total toxic load — not just mold in isolation.

Why Physicians Need to Expand Their Understanding of Mold-Related Illness

Dr. Campbell is candid about a gap in conventional medical training: most physicians have limited education on environmental toxicology, and even fewer are trained to recognize the clinical presentation of mycotoxin-related illness.

This matters because patients suffering from mold-related conditions are often dismissed, misdiagnosed, or cycled through specialists without resolution. Conditions like fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, autoimmune disorders, and treatment-resistant depression may — in some cases — have an underlying mycotoxin or environmental toxicity component that is never investigated.

Expanding the clinical conversation around mold exposure and chronic disease is not just a niche interest. As environmental toxicity increases globally, it is becoming a mainstream medical necessity.

How Mycotoxin Testing Works: Urine vs. Serum

One of the most practical takeaways from this episode is Dr. Campbell's clear explanation of how mycotoxin testing works — and why the type of test matters for both diagnosis and treatment planning.

Urine testing measures mycotoxins being actively excreted by the body. It reflects what the body is currently processing and eliminating, making it a useful snapshot of recent or ongoing exposure. Results can be influenced by hydration levels and the body's current detox capacity.

Serum (blood) testing measures mycotoxins present in the bloodstream and can reflect deeper, longer-term accumulation. In some cases, both tests together provide a more complete clinical picture.

Neither test is one-size-fits-all. Dr. Campbell outlines how MyMycoLab has developed testing protocols designed to be clinically meaningful — helping practitioners not just identify exposure, but inform a targeted treatment strategy.

MyMycoLab Testing: What to Know

For those wondering about next steps, Dr. Campbell walks through how MyMycoLab testing works, including options for home testing, what the process looks like, and how results are interpreted in a clinical context.

He also addresses common community questions including:

  • Can you test for mold at home? Yes — and Dr. Campbell explains what home testing can and cannot tell you.
  • Is brain fog really related to mold? Absolutely. Neurological symptoms, including cognitive impairment and mood disturbances, are among the most commonly reported effects of mycotoxin exposure.
  • What happens after a positive test? Testing is the starting point. Effective treatment involves reducing ongoing exposure, supporting detox pathways, and addressing the downstream inflammation and immune dysfunction.

Learn more at mymycolab.com.

About the Experts

Dr. Andrew Campbell is a renowned Medical Clinician with over 45 years of experience in integrative and traditional medicine. He serves as Medical Advisor for MyMycoLab and has been Editor-in-Chief of multiple medical journals and research studies. In 2020, he was selected as Top Medical Consultant of the Year by the International Association of Top Professionals (IAOTP). Dr. Campbell has treated some of the most complex patients in the field of environmental medicine and is widely recognized as a leading expert in mold and mycotoxin testing.

Haylie Pomroy is a New York Times bestselling author, leading health strategist, and founder of The Haylie Pomroy Group. With over 25 years of experience in metabolism, integrative wellness, and nutrition, she has helped thousands of people reclaim their health through her "Food is Medicine" philosophy. Inspired by her own autoimmune journey, Haylie is a passionate patient advocate who brings real answers to the people who need them most.

Listen to the Full Episode

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The information in this article is intended for educational purposes and is not a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. If you suspect mold or mycotoxin exposure is affecting your health, consult a qualified healthcare practitioner.


Transcript

Haylie Pomroy

Welcome to Fast Metabolism Matters, where we examine the scientific approach to how your metabolism influences every aspect of your life. I'm Haylie Pomroy, number one New York Times bestselling author. For the past 30 years, I have been creating a support system for vibrant health.

I was in my early 20s battling a life-threatening autoimmune disorder when I learned how vital metabolic health is to our whole being. Join me as I share these insights, and together, let's find out why having a fast metabolism matters.

Hey guys, it's Haylie Pomroy here, and I want to talk about why fast metabolism matters. I'm a number one New York Times bestselling author of The Fast Metabolism Diet, a research scientist in the field of neuroimmunology, and today we're going to tackle the subject of mycotoxins — how toxins impact your body. Everything from your rate of metabolic burn, to chronic fatigue, autoimmune disorders like MS, Parkinson's, and Alzheimer's.

I wanted to bring in Dr. Andrew Campbell. He is one of the most researched and published physicians in the world on mycotoxins and toxicity in the human body. Join in, guys, because as I can tell you, all of this matters to your metabolism, and your metabolism always matters.

What a unique opportunity we have in our membership community here to bring experts in that I am so fortunate to have the opportunity to work with, to collaborate with — Dr. Campbell, who's going to be joining us today. Prior to recording, we just talked about another colleague of ours that you guys have all watched, Dr. Theoharis Theoharides, and it's just been instrumental in helping individuals get onto their path of wellness, whether it's reversing disease, getting them out of a really bad situation, or dealing with things like I dealt with — a full-blown autoimmune disorder. It's critically important that we bring people into the conversation, ask questions, and gain knowledge.

So I want to tell you guys just a little bit about Dr. Campbell and some of his expertise. Dr. Campbell, your background is mind-blowing, quite frankly — whether it's graduating at 14 or all of the international education that you've had, or where you've sat in your medical career. But I love that you focus on complex medical conditions like toxic exposures, specifically things like mycotoxins, Lyme disease, pesticide toxicity, household solvents, individuals that are dealing with immune or toxic response from silicone breast implants, industrial chemicals, and so much more. You have aided so many patients with allergies and autoimmune disorders and immune deficiencies. So Dr. Campbell, thank you so much for coming in and talking to our community. I am so grateful that you're here.

Andrew Campbell

Well, thank you so much. I appreciate your kind words. I'm here just to share the knowledge on all the reading that I do, because I read constantly.

I'm the editor-in-chief of five journals, so I have to read material every day, and I know things that are going to be published months ahead of time, which is kind of nice.

Haylie Pomroy

It is. And I think that, you know, you're obviously an early learner but a lifelong learner, and we've been able to see each other at different conferences, and it's always amazing that even an individual who has achieved the phenomenal success that you have is so collaborative with everybody. And that's why I wanted to bring you here, because our community are individuals that are trying to figure out what's going on in their body. I really believe that sometimes being able to have open dialogue and open conversation gives us permission to feel confident about continuing to search, and also gives us hope — that there is a different opportunity, a different environment that we can be in and flourish in.

And I'll tell you, there were times, and there are days, where I feel a little deficient in hope. So again, I appreciate you being here. Will you just share with me a little bit about how your medical career took this turn into this specialty around chronic, complex illness and toxins?

Andrew Campbell

Basically, when I was young and had all my colors in my hair and not one single fiber of any other, I was recruited into Houston's medical center to head the Center for Immune and Toxic Disorders there. And part of what I noticed in the late '80s and early '90s — this is a long time ago, before you were born — was that there were a group of women, both young and not so young, of various sizes and ages and backgrounds, but they all had the same symptoms. Chronic, chronic, chronic, chronic.

This is before computers, smartphones, et cetera, so I'd stay late at night trying to figure out what was wrong with them. And then it hit me from reviewing the charts — they had breast implants. So I started — and this is when you had to go to the library and pull out and look at the cards one by one, every copy was five cents — I kept reading and reading and reading, and then I had to write letters because long distance was expensive, and I finally found two other doctors that had seen the same thing. One was an MD in Los Angeles, the other was a PhD who had a lab in Los Angeles.

So we started looking at this problem. We published about 25 papers within three years on silicone breast implants, the diseases and all this kind of stuff. And silicone is like saying soda pop — it's dimethylpolysiloxane, that's a specific compound — and that's where my toxicological background helped me.

And then I was called to the NIH to bring all the studies and present everything, and then in six months, they shut down all manufacturing of breast implants. Because breast implants had existed since the early '60s, way before the FDA, and they were just grandfathered in. They now have to prove that they're safe.

Every so often, they have to restart that process again because the FDA says they're getting too many complaints. They're on model number five now.

Haylie Pomroy

Of safety — of what is considered safe. Is that when the term "adjuvant-based illness" is used?

Andrew Campbell

That's correct. I was also working with Baylor Neurology at the time because they had patients with neurological disorders, and we called it an adjuvant disorder.

Haylie Pomroy

Okay.

Andrew Campbell

So you're right on.

Haylie Pomroy

Thank you. Can you explain what an adjuvant is? Because we're hearing that term now with some of the vaccine injury discussion. Is it the same thing? Does it cause a similar response? Why is that term being used in that context?

Andrew Campbell

And last week, one of my latest papers was accepted for publication. It had to do with whether Tylenol taken by pregnant women causes autism or other neurological diseases in babies. Anyway, what an adjuvant is, is something that's present in a small amount and creates a large immune response.

And the most common example we have is vaccines, obviously, because you have a tiny little amount of something that causes an immune response you carry for the rest of your life. So when you and I were given the smallpox vaccine, we now have smallpox antibodies throughout our body. That's an adjuvant effect.

Haylie Pomroy

And so an adjuvant isn't something that's added to something — it's the immunological effect?

Andrew Campbell

Correct.

Haylie Pomroy

Okay, perfect. Thank you for clarifying that. Because oftentimes — I have so many questions — I'm going to go back a second from your history in the toxicology space. When did you start seeing molds and mycotoxins specifically being identified in the body as either something that caused a pivot point, or a chronic stressor in the immune system? When did that start to come about?

Andrew Campbell

That came about because of the thousands of women that came to see me with breast implant illness. Many of them were eventually explanted, and they got better, but only marginally — 30% better, 40% better, 20% better, but not completely well. So I knew there was something else.

I found someone in Montreal, Canada — a PhD whose work was reviewing implantable medical devices and writing up what went wrong with them. That included knee implants, hip implants, chin implants, various types of implants. His name was Dr. Pierre Blais, and he was in Montreal and spoke only French. But part of my education was in Lausanne, Switzerland, so French was no problem for me, and we got along marvelously.

He told me — I asked, what's the issue with these mycotoxins? He said, there are only two. One is that the silicone sweats out of the implant. In other words, it bleeds. And yes, silicone can be found in the lymph nodes of the neck, armpits, and groin in women, because it oozes, so to speak. Second, there's mold in the implants.

I said, where did that come from? He said, during manufacturing. I said, amazing.

So I tested these patients and sure enough, they tested positive. And I started treating them with an antifungal. They got well.

So then I got all the questions — oh, you treat mold. And I went, wow, okay. I better go back to the library again and do all that. And since then I've published well over 100 studies and taught at various medical schools to faculty — not to students — on the issue of molds and mycotoxins.

Molds are the gun. Mycotoxins are the bullet.

Haylie Pomroy

Ooh, okay. And so are the mycotoxins part of the mold, or are they something given off?

Andrew Campbell

Molds produce spores when they get wet.

Haylie Pomroy

Okay.

Andrew Campbell

It sporulates. In other words, they germinate. This is how all planting works.

You plant some seeds in a packet, add water, and then you eventually have a plant, and that plant gives seeds. Same with these. And it's the spores that carry the mycotoxins.

So our hair — your hair, my hair — is about 100 microns thick. Mold spores are two to four microns. They get into the deepest part of the lungs and the respiratory sinuses, et cetera. And these spores that carry mycotoxins are 0.1 microns thick, which means they're the same size as a COVID virus. And they go through everything because toxins are molecules. They're not living organisms. They don't have cell membranes. They're not alive.

Mercury, arsenic — these are only molecules. And molecules can be quite toxic. Toxic molecules are very toxic to humans. Nobody wants any level of mercury in their body. Well, no one wants — and should have — any level of mycotoxins in their body either.

Haylie Pomroy

Because they're so small, is that why we see permeation into the blood-brain barrier and why we see neurologic aspects? Or is it the size? Or is it the fact that they're not an organism?

Andrew Campbell

The first place mycotoxins attack is the brain. And this has been well established in medicine for about 30 years. And what do they cause?

They cause demyelination — loss of myelin. So what is loss of myelin? Well, that's multiple sclerosis.

A study from Rutgers University published on multiple sclerosis patients found that the mycotoxin gliotoxin is the one that causes this. And they were very excited because they said, if we treat the mycotoxin, what happens? MS reverses itself.

And I've treated a lot of MS patients. And yes, within a year, they're well. They're playing tennis or whatever. They went from a wheelchair and finally came back.

Haylie Pomroy

Yeah. So in your practice and with the practices that you consult with, do you feel like mycotoxin testing should be done routinely? Like, I hope — I'll throw my hope out there — that we do toxicant testing like we would do an annual exam. I mean, I just think that if we can understand the toxic burden in a body, we can first hopefully remove it, and then hopefully repair. But do you think that it should be done routinely, or only when a person is already in a chronic disease state?

Andrew Campbell

Let me answer this by first talking a little bit about the brain, and then we'll go into chronic things. So in the year 2000, autism was one in every 150 children. It is now one in 37.

A study done by your famous Dr. Theoharis Theoharides — 172 kids with autism, with 61 controls — tested positive for mycotoxins. I have treated many of these kids and they get well, or markedly better. I had a 23-year-old last week who started treatment in May. He'd never spoken a word. Five months into treatment, he started speaking to his parents and shocked his mother and father. That's autism.

We talked about MS. What about dementias? They did autopsies on patients — these are all published studies, and it's in the PowerPoint I sent you. They did this autopsy study on patients who had died with Alzheimer's disease. What did they find? Every single part of the brain, including the cerebrospinal fluid, had fungi.

Another study did the same thing with ALS — amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. Every single part of the brain had fungi. Another study found that 5% to 10% of ALS is due to genetics. What's the rest? All the rest are due to mycotoxins.

Let's go to Parkinson's. Same story.

Haylie Pomroy

Wow.

Andrew Campbell

I recently treated a gentleman who was a professional football player in Uruguay. He developed Parkinson's at age 58. He waited seven years, finally found me. And after five months of treatment, he's fine again.

Haylie Pomroy

That's wonderful. How do people communicate this if, God forbid, they've received any of these diagnoses — these labels? How do people communicate to their practitioner, like, I would like to go down this path? I mean, I think in the community, I imagine you guys have experienced this where you say, you know, I'm struggling with this, and maybe even I've gotten a working diagnosis. But I want to look at what's going on in my body, or I want to test my house, or I want to test the environment.

How do they broach that when they're — I'm going to use the word gaslit — into believing that's not even a possibility?

Andrew Campbell

I've talked to many, many doctors at conferences. I attend at least one conference a month sometimes, because I'm asked to speak. And I ask them, why don't you do this or that. And they all tell me the same thing — basically, they're insurance-driven. Insurance companies make profit by restricting how much you do.

For instance, one insurance company's CEO made $550 million in 2024 as his salary. One doctor said to me, how many denials did it take him to get paid that much? And most of my colleagues tell me they spend 50% of their time filling out forms instead of reading.

Haylie Pomroy

Right. And so I've seen you lecture as well, but I love that you're teaching a lot of medical students and working towards bringing awareness into curriculum. I don't know — I can't wrap my head around how in the world they try to make it seem like, well, we don't do that kind of medicine.

I remember when I first started practicing, they said Hashimoto's isn't even a thing, it's not even real. There's no such thing as celiac. I mean, I've been doing this long enough to watch that shift. And now, obviously, it's really well and widely accepted.

I think that mycotoxin-based proliferation of disease is so well documented in the studies. I mean, it is not kind of. It's not maybe. There is phenomenal study after study after study.

Andrew Campbell

Yes. Here's the thing. None of this is my thinking. I'm not some sort of genius. I just read it. Here's what it says, and they tested this and found this.

Well, why not apply it? In medical school, I was taught, in God we trust, everyone else has to show data. And today we have social media, which is based on opinions and anecdotes.

Haylie Pomroy

Yeah.

Andrew Campbell

Well, everybody's got an opinion. Exactly. Everybody has a story.

So what's important? I want medical and scientific evidence. All these chronic diseases that are frequently misdiagnosed — chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, chronic Lyme disease, depression and anxiety that are resistant to treatment, autism, PANS, PANDAS, autoimmune disorders. There are more people with autoimmune disorders now than there are with cancer and cardiovascular diseases combined.

Haylie Pomroy

And what happens in our world — with those of us that have autoimmune disorders, what happens, the effort and the financial input and the investment in being well — is just, I sometimes wish that I could take all my receipts and say, look, if my insurance company was paying for this, or if the state was paying for this, or if I had some federal grant for this, you better believe they would be looking into this more carefully.

But I feel like because so many of us with chronic disease — ME/CFS, autoimmunity, MS — have had to go, okay, I've got to take control of this if I want to get well, and I've got to figure out how to invest in my health, it's allowed the powers that be to back off a little bit. Which is why I want to ask — how do people get tested for mycotoxins? Explain it. Walk me through the process. I personally have done this. What would you tell community members about how to do it?

Andrew Campbell

What I teach and present in lectures is that I developed, with a group of two or three other doctors, a questionnaire. It's called an immune dysfunction questionnaire. The first two pages are all symptoms, and the patient has to rate how severe each one is, from one to 10, and for how long they've had it.

And then I want to go through everything. I want to know if that patient was born through normal childbirth or cesarean section. Why?

What's the first thing that happens when baby wants to come out and is ready? The water breaks. That water contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, which coats the whole birth canal right outside to the legs and everything. Why? Because that acidophilus kills off any single-cell molds called candida, which is a yeast normally found in many women in those areas.

So the first bacteria in the baby's mouth is mama's bacteria. And then it's breast milk — colostrum — for the first three days. What does it contain? Antibodies from mommy to baby, to protect the baby. It also contains an oligosaccharide that the baby can't digest, but that goes directly to the GI tract to feed the microbiome that is just starting out. And that microbiome — the gut contains 80% of every human's immune system.

What happens in a cesarean section is the baby's first bacteria are from instruments and operating room personnel. So those are the kids that tend to have allergies and other problems, because they haven't developed that gut microbiome.

Now, today it's easy to correct the microbiome. Dr. Simon Cutting at Reading University in London did testing on the commonly purchased probiotics that we all have — Bifidobacterium and Lactobacilli. And he found that more than 90% of them die in the stomach from acidity. So what happens? You're doing what he called "dead bacteria therapy."

So then he researched what does make it to the gut and help form a normal microbiome — spore-forming bacilli. Don't buy the stuff that's in these stores. Buy the stuff that works.

Haylie Pomroy

And it's not only that — it's how it's packaged, whether it's nitrogen-purged. I mean, there's so much. When I walk through the store and I see shelf-stable probiotics in a plastic jar, I just want to cry. You're wasting people's money, you know? Take all that off and put art there — it'd be healthier for people to visually look at.

You said something that I have to pull us back to because it's been rattling around. When you said that autoimmunity is now larger than cancer and cardiovascular disease — why? What is wrong with us right now?

I mean, they were able to trace back with me the what fired the gun, I'll say. I was living in California, and malathion was dumped on us. We were spraying for the Medfly. I'm a rebel — I don't follow rules. I was out past curfew.

And I don't know if you remember watching the videos, but they would come over and spray and it was this orange color, and the city gave us all tarps to put over our cars because it would corrode the paint. It was apparently okay for us, though. Well, we were all goofing off and we didn't get inside, and we got dumped on.

I hadn't really thought much about it at the time. I got in the shower, I thought, oh my gosh, my mother's going to kill me — until I hemorrhaged during a routine tonsillectomy. And then they realized I had antiplatelet antibodies.

And then, you know, I worked through my journey, opened integrative clinics, and went back and did some bone biopsies and hair analysis. And the doctor said to me, where did you get all this malathion? What are you doing? And it hit me. I went back and looked at the newspaper clippings, and it was a match — from what they were spraying to what they found in my body several years later. I mean, it was a perfect chemical match. It just blew me away, because it was deemed safe.

Andrew Campbell

So a few years back, Dr. Pollard at UCLA, Dr. Aristo Vojdani in Los Angeles, and I published a study on environmental causes of autoimmunity. We're surrounded by things that cause autoimmunity. Dr. Noel Rose of Johns Hopkins University, who was the head of autoimmunity research, said it can't just be because my mom had it or my dad had it. It's from other things that are in our environment. And one of them is mycotoxins.

And these cases are also in the PowerPoint presentation I sent you. I've seen patients with lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, psoriasis, et cetera, et cetera — there are over a hundred autoimmune diseases. And within six months, they're fine.

Haylie Pomroy

So are we just the three-legged frog? Like, is autoimmunity our body's voice saying, I cannot get rid of mycotoxins, or chemicals, or heavy metals — the adjuvant, if you will — something that has pushed the body too far? Is the autoimmune response the white flag?

Andrew Campbell

So Dr. Jack Thrasher, PhD, UCLA, published a study on the fact that 85% of buildings in the United States have had water damage. 85%. And that includes public libraries, businesses, stores, malls, shops, you name it — homes, apartment buildings, et cetera.

My brother is an architect. He stayed in Switzerland — he's a large-project architect, he built the largest hospital for women and children in Europe. And when he comes here, I ask him, what's wrong with this country? Why do homes and apartments quickly or easily get moldy?

He said, it's not the climate. It's construction. I said, what do you mean?

He said, remember when we were kids, our parents took us to Amsterdam every couple of years because my dad loved the art and the paintings? And he said to me, remember in Amsterdam, all the canals and all the houses — they were built 300, 400, 500 years ago. Why aren't they moldy?

He said, they weren't built with wood and they weren't built with drywall. They were built out of stone. And nothing grows on stone. Or if it grows, you wipe it off and it's gone.

Haylie Pomroy

Call it a day, yeah.

Andrew Campbell

And by the way, mildew is not mold. The stuff that grows on your outdoor furniture — that's mildew. It's a cousin, but it doesn't produce mycotoxins.

So when you drive by places like Lowe's and Home Depot and you look in the back, there's drywall that gets rained on. And then it goes to your house. That's what they're building with.

Haylie Pomroy

Someone once told me the more toxic the environment the mold is growing on, the more mycotoxins it will release.

Andrew Campbell

Correct. I have patients in Dubai. Dubai is in the middle of the desert — well, it's on the sea, but the rest is desert. You go out of Dubai, it's Lawrence of Arabia. So how come there's mold in Dubai? How come I have many patients all over Arizona where there's nothing but cactus, lizards, and snakes?

Haylie Pomroy

So there is more mycotoxins and more mold in our environment. And are our bodies less adaptive to it because of all the other factors — our water is not good, our air is not good, our food is not good? Do we have less of a fighting chance to battle that internally?

Andrew Campbell

Not against the toxin.

Haylie Pomroy

Okay. Is it like the barrel gets more and more full? Is it this toxin and that toxin and this toxin?

Andrew Campbell

There are differences in toxins. There's molecular structure, penetration, all those things.

Look at women. Mycotoxins cross the placental barrier. They cause miscarriage, stillbirth, prematurity, small for gestational age, stunted growth for gestational age. And in amniotic fluid samples from fetuses with genetic defects, 73% had mycotoxins. Again, these are all from studies.

And what else does it do? Polycystic ovary syndrome, premature ovarian insufficiency. What about men? Do guys get affected? You bet. It lowers their testosterone to almost nothing.

So what happens when people get married and want to have kids? They can't. I've had many couples come see me — not initially because of fertility issues, but because of the mycotoxin issue. And then they get treated, and they have children. I have a bunch of Andrews and Andreas out there. They had tried having children, couldn't, and gave up.

Haylie Pomroy

Right. It is a huge piece. I was in the fertility space pretty strictly for about four years.

It is such a — I mean, it was such a not-considered protocol, and it made the biggest impact of anything I could think of. That, and methylated folic acid was a big one for us at the time.

I have a question. What test for mycotoxins has been shown, in published studies, to come with significant accuracy? What mycotoxin test would be good to do?

Andrew Campbell

So let's go through this. There are two types of tests — the urine test and the serum test.

Ever wonder why the CDC doesn't recognize urine mycotoxins as valid evidence? There are three reasons — and the FDA agrees. Number one, it's not FDA approved. Labs aren't validated through the FDA standard process for diagnostic testing.

Number two, exposure doesn't equal disease. Why? Because almost all of us are exposed to mycotoxins at very low levels in food. I love peanut butter — it's in peanuts — but it's parts per billion, and it's limited by 43 countries as to how many parts per billion are permissible.

Now, what's a part per billion? I'm a visual person — I'd rather read it than hear it. The point is, take a thousand football fields, cover them with golf balls, and take one golf ball out. That's a part per billion. Every time we go into a bathroom that's been recently cleaned, a kitchen, when we shampoo our hair, when we wash up — there are chemicals, but it's parts per billion. They come in and go out, and where are they excreted? In urine.

The third part is that they lack standardization, meaning different labs use different cutoffs, methods, and interpretations. So you send the same urine to lab A and lab B and you're going to get different results. And so the official warning is these tests can lead to misdiagnosis, unnecessary treatment, and anxiety.

So then what do the studies show? Because that's what's important.

Haylie Pomroy

What's convenient, yeah.

Andrew Campbell

Yes, correct. So let's look at what the journal Toxins says. This is a study on exposure during the first thousand days of life and its impact on children's health.

They said urinalysis presents some advantages because the sampling is not invasive — pee in a cup — and collection is easy. However, it reflects day-to-day variations in mycotoxin intake from what you drank and ate. They also said that while urinary excretion normally indicates recent mycotoxin intake, serum measurements indicate long-term exposure.

Another study — from the same journal Toxins, but a different group — on analytical validation of direct competitive ELISA for multiple mycotoxin detection in human serum. And they said the ELISA method, which is the method used by My Myco Lab to detect mycotoxins in human serum, comes with significant accuracy, precision, and specificity.

Well, for my patients, I want those kinds of tests. I don't want iffy tests.

Haylie Pomroy

So is My Myco Lab a blood test?

Andrew Campbell

It's a serum blood test. Yes.

Haylie Pomroy

And can any doctor run it? Can you run it as a consumer? Do you have to go through a physician?

Andrew Campbell

Anyone, anywhere in the world. The lab — I'm their medical advisor. The lab receives serum from all over the place, except from one country: North Korea.

Haylie Pomroy

So does a doctor have to write the requisition for it? Or can I — so I'm going to take where my brain is going with this. We have more mycotoxins. They're causing serious diseases. I don't have the money to buy a castle made out of stone right now. So my exposure is going to be more than ever. So I want to have labs run and find out what's going on in my body specifically. Is the doctor a gatekeeper to this, or can I as the consumer do my own lab?

Andrew Campbell

Either one.

Haylie Pomroy

Oh, wow. Okay.

So I — Haylie — can just go on. Even my daughter, she's 23 years old, she can go on and have her labs run. Do you have a phlebotomist come to the house?

Andrew Campbell

Half the tests are by members of the public — just the direct consumer. And, you know, the patients I've mentioned, they were all just consumers. They didn't come from a doctor because they got tired of trying everything the doctor gave them and it wasn't working.

Haylie Pomroy

Yeah, I absolutely hear you. So a person goes on, they run it, and then they get quite an extensive report with it, correct?

Andrew Campbell

Right. It's My Myco Lab — M-Y-C-O lab. What do you get?

First, it tests for 14 different mycotoxins. One mold makes several mycotoxins — it's not one mold to one mycotoxin. Second, one mycotoxin may be made by several molds.

So the testing shows you, number one, IgG and IgE antibodies. Let me help explain that. IgG antibodies — when it comes to pathogens, we learned in microbiology that there are four types: bacteria, viruses, parasites, and pathogenic fungi. When we've been infected by one and treated, we carry the immunity as an IgG antibody. These are little missiles that are ready to fire off at any bacteria or viruses we've encountered before. So they give us immunity toward them.

But mycotoxins are not alive. They're not pathogens. They're molecules. So an IgG to a toxin indicates that toxin is currently in you, causing an immune reaction — a toxic immune reaction.

Haylie Pomroy

So it's not like an organism such as a virus, where they say if you have IgG, "G means gone" — meaning it's cell memory of the virus, not that the virus is still present. But with a toxin, because the toxin isn't a living entity within itself, a positive IgG means it's still in you.

Wow. That's huge. We'll talk about that in the community. That's a big one to think about, because so many times people will say, yeah, you had exposure years ago. Who hasn't? And they get dismissed.

Andrew Campbell

Okay. Molds are part of the four pathogen categories. Yes. So if you test positive for some mold, it means sometime in your life — maybe when you went to camp as a teenager, or maybe it was four years ago in a college dorm — you were exposed. But with toxins, it tells you what's going on right now. You have this much of this toxin in your body, this much of that one, this much of each one of the 14.

Haylie Pomroy

So once they get their results back and go through it — we had a great question where someone said they tested positive for Ochratoxin A and DHC, and they've removed themselves from the environment, but do they need to do some sort of detox? Does it come out of the body naturally? And is it the same with adults and children?

Andrew Campbell

First of all, all urine samples for mycotoxins contain Ochratoxin A.

Haylie Pomroy

Tell me — wait, hold on. I want everybody to hear why. So the person that asked the question, if you'll let us know if that was a serum or a urine test, that would be great.

So every urine test is going to come back positive for Ochratoxin A — please tell us why.

Andrew Campbell

Because it's inaccurate. Let me explain. A review published on Ochratoxin A and all of its molecular components, how it functions and where it goes — 99.8% of Ochratoxin A is bound to human albumin, the number one protein in our body. 99.8%. And none can be excreted through urine because it is totally reabsorbed from every part of the nephron, by both active and passive processes.

So how is it possible to have Ochratoxin A in urine? It's not. It might be some other molecule similar to an artifact.

Haylie Pomroy

What about if it's positive in the serum?

Andrew Campbell

If it's positive in serum, that means it's in you.

Haylie Pomroy

And if a person removes themselves from the environment — Ochratoxin A can come from so many different sources — if they remove themselves from the exposure, what are some natural ways to facilitate detox or getting it out of the body?

Andrew Campbell

Right. So along with these 14 IgG antibodies, you also get 14 IgE antibodies. So what does IgE mean?

Normally, IgE is the immunoglobulin in charge of allergies. And it triggers mast cells, which produce heparin, histamine, and all these substances that make you itch, get a runny nose, become congested, and cause reactions on your skin.

But what happens if it's a toxin? IgE will activate these same mast cells to produce — call it medicine — pro-inflammatory cytokines, which are interleukins. What does that mean in plain English? It means it produces an email blast that tells the immune system to cause inflammation.

And according to studies published by Dr. Theoharis Theoharides, this occurs in three places: the brain, the gut, and the skin.

Haylie Pomroy

Yeah.

Andrew Campbell

Kind of important. The IgE also tells you that your current environment — where you are right now — has molds that are producing mycotoxins.

So what happens if you're positive for all 14 IgG, but you have nothing in IgE? It means it's from a past exposure — the apartment you lived in four years ago, or the moldy home you left a year ago. Or it means it's colonized.

What does colonized mean? Dr. Ponikau, Chairman of the Department of ENT Surgery at the Mayo Clinic, did a study on 210 patients with chronic sinus problems. He tested them — imaging, CAT scan, endoscopy, all that — and cleaned everything out, sent it to the lab for identification. The lab reported 96% fungi. So it grows in sinuses.

Now, I want to tell the public — don't use some sort of swab up your nose, because the part of our nose that some people pick is full of bacteria. It's supposed to trap bacteria. That's why we have nasal hairs and things. So you're going to find bacteria. It doesn't mean you're sick. It just means you have bacteria and you're reacting normally.

So the IgE is negative and you're colonized — you've got colonies growing in your lungs, the other common place. There's a disorder known as pulmonary aspergillosis, which is when mold is in your lung, and it can form fungus balls anywhere from the size of a quarter to a golf ball.

Haylie Pomroy

Yeah. We had a person who was originally misdiagnosed with cancer, and it was mycotoxin-based. Yeah.

Andrew Campbell

In order to know if there's mold that's affecting you now — if both tests are positive, you're in a moldy environment and you're getting toxic from the mold and mycotoxins. But let's say your IgE is very low or not there at all. It means it's from the past and your current environment is fine.

Now, let's look at indoor moldy environments.

Haylie Pomroy

Let me ask one quick question. If a person was diagnosed with mycotoxin toxicity from a urine test, would you recommend that they redo it in serum? I mean, I like the serum personally. I'll throw that out there.

Andrew Campbell

Everybody says don't use the urine test because it's inaccurate. You could have a different test result tomorrow morning.

Haylie Pomroy

No, I love hearing it from you. I love hearing that from you. I take a strong clinical stand on it in my practice, but it's mostly because of what I've seen over 31 years — it's more like a clinical proving, I would say. Where I'm like, you guys, it's just so much more reliable if we do the IgG and IgE serum. And it's more reliable. And to your point, it gives us a better indication of what your current exposure is versus a historical one.

I mean, I knew that my toxicity was malathion-based, but I knew that I wasn't getting current malathion exposure based on how my immune system responded. And that was very helpful for me to be able to reverse-engineer what was going on, and also work backwards in my body to heal the metabolic pathways that had become disrupted because of the toxin. And to know what binding agents to use, what minerals to use, what vitamins to use. That was really helpful for me.

So I'm strong on it because of clinical experience. I love that endorsement from you and that explanation, because it gives me even more conviction.

Andrew Campbell

And just to make it easier for people — when you have the test results, this is what happens. You register on the website.

Haylie Pomroy

So for my community — did you hear what he just said?

Andrew Campbell

You register — the usual stuff — and then they send you a kit. This kit contains the tube to draw blood from, and then you centrifuge it, remove the serum, and put it in the other tube. It comes with a label included, so you just mail it right back.

Then when the lab gets it, they send you an email: we received your serum, your results will be ready within the next 14 days. When the results are ready, they send you another email: your results are ready, go to your portal on the website.

And then it says, do you want a complimentary Zoom call? Some people — some clinicians who've done many of these and have spoken with me many times — don't need that Zoom call. They know how to do it. They feel all coached up.

And then with that Zoom call, you get an explanation of what's happening in that body right now. And the treatment is not hard at all. It's not this big, complicated thing. It's not a cycle of glutathione and binders and more glutathione and more binders.

And I get 20 emails seven days a week, and I have to answer them because these are people — they're afraid, they're nervous, they're sick, they don't feel good. I tell them, no. First of all, in the study from Rutgers University on gliotoxin causing multiple sclerosis — do not use glutathione if you have gliotoxin because it will make it more toxic.

Haylie Pomroy

It's so interesting because in the IV community, so many people say, you know, do a glutathione push at the end, or add it in. I don't even like glutathione from it — I mean, there's a time and a place, in my opinion — but everyone's going, I'm doing transdermal glutathione, why don't you carry glutathione? I'm like, because there are times where that can actually be a massive catalyst.

And my daughter got mycotoxin exposure. That was actually one of the first labs that we ran, and she was really sick. She had some really serious things going on, and when she was in getting an IV, they kept trying to talk her into a glutathione push. And my daughter said, no, I have a mycotoxin. I was so proud of her.

She said to the nurse, do you understand the catalyst here? And I get this text message from the nurse that says, are you sure your daughter wants to ride horses for a living? Because we could use her in here.

But yeah — that's why I really try to bring people on who understand that there's definitely not a one-size-fits-all for everybody, but there's also true, science-based protocol where we can walk the body back through a traumatic physiological process.

And, you know — how often do you suggest people have mycotoxin testing? If I had my dream, we would do it annually.

Andrew Campbell

The treatment is six months long.

Haylie Pomroy

Okay.

Andrew Campbell

So you test before the treatment and you retest at six months. And let me throw something else in — in May, a study came out showing that glutathione, which is usually made by the human body, when taken exogenously — in other words, from bottles, capsules, liquids, et cetera — is now implicated in the pathophysiology of Parkinson's disease.

Haylie Pomroy

That's a bummer. I always get anxious when I see a natural therapy get a bad rap, because it's like — someone said the other day to me, my doctor was worried about me eating spinach or broccoli or whatever, that it could have high levels of something. And I said, yeah, but what about your Popeye's chicken and your Coca-Cola? You know what I mean? It's like, they'll vilify some sort of food when they're not looking at the bigger picture. If it's made in a plant, it's okay. If it comes from a plant, it's not. And that hurts my heart.

I just need my brain to clarify this. IgG in a toxin means that it's in the body. And IgE means that it's in the environment. What if they have positive IgE, but not positive IgG?

Andrew Campbell

If you have positive IgE, it means — because IgE takes 24 hours to make and IgG takes 30 days — you're in the environment right now. It hasn't come to IgG yet.

Haylie Pomroy

Okay. Or can you keep clearing the IgG until you get to the point of exhaustion and it manifests within the body?

Andrew Campbell

So my recommendation is — if you've got mold in the environment, you're eventually going to have the mycotoxins in your body. If you showed IgE, that's enough. You need to do something about it. Number one, and the first thing you've got to do before any treatment or anything else is the first rule of toxicology: get the patient away from the toxin, or get the toxin away from the patient. That's the first rule.

Haylie Pomroy

Dr. Klimas talks about this really openly. She had a sudden onset of cardiovascular symptoms. And one of our other doctors — Dr. McQuillan, actually, because it's hard for doctors to look at themselves sometimes, like the cobbler without shoes — ran a mycotoxin test on Dr. Klimas. I don't know if you know this story.

But Dr. Klimas had to leave her home and have it remediated. And her asthma and her cardiovascular symptoms resolved. I know. But I mean, you've got the head of the Institute for Neuroimmune Medicine dealing with this — it can happen to anyone.

And I'm so glad that she shares that story so openly. But with Dr. Campbell and Dr. Klimas and Dr. Theoharis Theoharides and Dr. Aristo Vojdani, I just want to help empower you guys as a community to advocate for yourselves. And also, as Dr. Campbell was just saying, if you're in an environment that's been identified as the source, we have to get the patient away from it to get the patient well.

And Dr. Klimas always talks about how, you know, your home is your home. It's everything. I don't want to be away from it. And it's a hard thing to struggle with when your home can be what is making you sick. That's a tough one.

Hey, this is Haylie Pomroy. And right now we're going to transition into our Q&A portion of the podcast. You'll notice that we have live viewers asking us questions. They're my Fast Metabolism members, and they get all kinds of amazing benefits — like member discounts on my world-class supplements and shakes, every product every day, personalized guidance and support from myself and my team, and even the ability to ask questions of our podcast guests.

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We're going to answer some questions from individuals in our private community. This is a great opportunity, Dr. Campbell, for people to ask a few things that pertain to themselves individually. If you're not in our community, you can jump in and check it out at HayliePomroy.com/member — we'll give you a 30-day trial.

For those of us in the community, I want to address a couple of questions. I think this is a great one and it segues to what you just said. This individual was diagnosed with mycotoxin toxicity, and there's some remediation that needs to happen in the environment. There was a difference between the strains swabbed in the home and the strains found in the body. So can that be about how the testing was done?

Maybe, Megan, you can let us know if that was a serum or a urine test. But have you ever seen that — where a person shows certain mycotoxins in the blood, but when they test the home for molds, they don't match?

Andrew Campbell

There's a problem with the testing of homes, and that's that it's an unregulated industry.

Haylie Pomroy

Okay.

Andrew Campbell

I can take an online course, get a certificate, call myself a mold inspector, and charge big bucks to come to your house and test. For instance, the air trap test is worthless. That's been known for 30 years. The ERMI test — since 2013, the government has been saying, and studies confirm, that the ERMI test is worthless.

Haylie Pomroy

Wow.

Andrew Campbell

So I had to find someone who knows about testing that I can trust, because I'm not going to just say, go get your home tested. I'm going to say, get your home tested by so-and-so.

Haylie Pomroy

And especially if the IgE levels are really high in the serum.

Andrew Campbell

Yes, exactly. And so I found this young building engineer — at my age, everybody's young — but his name is Bradley May and he can be reached at envirohealth.co. He goes all over the country.

And he did two videos with me that are on YouTube. In those two videos, he goes through each type of testing — the pros, the cons, why it's good, why it's not, which ones are totally worthless. Don't spend the money.

The other thing he tells you is don't just say, I need my home inspected for mold. Ask specific questions. Tell them what you want, not just what they're bringing.

Haylie Pomroy

Ooh, I like that. So Dr. Campbell, I hope you'll connect us and we can have him on too.

Andrew Campbell

That's a big help for the folks out there who don't know what's going on.

Haylie Pomroy

Right.

Andrew Campbell

Absolutely. And then they have this company come and say, nope, there's nothing here. So I'll tell you what happened to a patient of mine.

She's a public figure in Hollywood — you've heard her songs and you've watched her in movies. She has a small 30,000-square-foot cabin, and she got sick. She contacted me and I said, get your home tested. They tested it and said it's going to take at least six weeks to two months to remediate.

I said, don't be there when they remediate — it just stirs up all the spores. So she went to visit one of her friends on Lake Como in Italy and stayed there for two months.

Haylie Pomroy

In a castle, I hope.

Andrew Campbell

And came back. They told her the home was ready. I said, before you go back, tell them to open all the windows and air it out. So they did all that.

She came back home. Within two weeks, she gets in touch with me and says, I'm feeling bad again. I said, use a different company to come and check. They found a whole other section that had mold that the first company had missed.

And this is a person who can afford all this easily, and she thought she had gotten the best. Well, it wasn't.

Haylie Pomroy

Right. I had a similar situation with a client — they found one area but missed some really basic things. It was very frustrating.

I have two more questions here. I have a community member who is dealing with brain fog, and I know there are 14 mycotoxins tested with IgG and IgE. Would that test cover some of the mycotoxins that could potentially cause brain fog?

Andrew Campbell

Yes. It covers every mycotoxin that affects the brain. And brain fog, fatigue, short-term memory loss, sleep disturbance, anxiety, and depression are the five most common things that mycotoxins cause — because as I mentioned earlier in the podcast, the first place they go is the brain.

Haylie Pomroy

We see this in the supplement space where there's a phenomenal study run on a particular raw ingredient that is sourced in a very unique, particular way, and then all these other companies jump in and they use that data and science and research to say, I'm going to use turmeric, for example. Turmeric is great for everything. But the study they're citing was on a very specific, patented type that was tested for lead and arsenic.

I feel that same frustration and angst with the mycotoxin labs that are out there. Let me say it this way. There are certain labs that have had studies done showing repeatability. They show a predictive response. They make logical sense. I mean, I've had some come back in my clinic that were run by companies where I'm like, this isn't even biologically possible. What you're telling me came back in this lab can't even exist on this planet.

So it hurts my heart when someone says, well, I went and did a bunch of mycotoxin testing, or I've spent money on it and it wasn't done by a reputable lab — because maybe there are reputable people running labs, but they aren't doing it based on the science of how the immune system actually responds both to a toxin and how the body tries to remediate that toxin. And that's why with Gracie, with my daughter, I used your lab specifically — because it has all that background from a science perspective.

And again, it frustrates me. I get a million emails and someone says, you know, I've got this test or that test back. And the first thing I ask is, who tested it and how.

I know we could share tons of stories about that. But how did you come to be director of this particular type of testing?

Andrew Campbell

On the serum testing, with My Myco Lab?

Haylie Pomroy

Yes.

Andrew Campbell

Okay. This test has been available for almost 30 years. The original owner of the lab decided to retire, and then we were stuck with the prior test, and people were getting inconsistent results. My colleagues and I had ongoing conversations because that was the only thing available. And there'd be people who were very sick and had normal test results, and other people who felt normal but had very bad levels. It was all over the map.

Haylie Pomroy

Right.

Andrew Campbell

So I went to a conference, and he was there, and I said, look, you've got to do something. This other stuff doesn't work. We really need to help our patients. This is not for us — it's for people out there who've gone from doctor to doctor to doctor, had test after test after test, treatments, pills, medications, syrups, God knows what, and they're still sick. You've got to help us.

He said, I'm not opening the lab, but I'll show you how to do it.

Haylie Pomroy

Let's go.

Andrew Campbell

I have a lab director who handles the lab side — that's not my area. But I learned it and I showed another person how to do it. I said, you handle the lab side, this is your business. And because I teach at two medical schools, I can't have a commercial link to anybody.

Haylie Pomroy

Makes sense.

Andrew Campbell

Although I get paid for being editor-in-chief, they consider that academic.

Haylie Pomroy

Yes. It's literature.

Andrew Campbell

Yes, I agree. And these are academic journals, not Reader's Digest.

Having said that, there is a whole lot of misinformation all over the internet, websites, Dr. Google, Dr. Facebook. And they say, don't use that test, use this test, because I used it in my home and I did this. These are not evidence-based. Unfortunately, people think they are.

And I wonder what they're going to do if I get acute appendicitis. Are they going to go to some chat box and ask, how do I do an appendectomy on myself?

Haylie Pomroy

Right. Well, and again, being in the clinical space — in clinical practice it's one-to-one, and then when I teach it's maybe one to 28, and then there's our larger community. And sometimes it's hard. I don't have any affiliation with any labs, but I can tell you what I see clinically — and what I've seen for 31 years clinically. And so it's what came up for me.

And that was really what prompted our first outreach to do a podcast — because when I go, okay, when my family member gets in trouble, this is what I do. And then I thought, I need to bring this to the community and just be really open about that. And why I wanted IgG and IgE serum testing done for this particular issue.

So Dr. Campbell, we have one last question — how does the body naturally remove mycotoxins? Is it through urine, saliva, sweat, vitamin C? How does it naturally start to eliminate this in our, you know, kind of divine design?

Andrew Campbell

So let's replace mycotoxin with a different toxin. Let's call it mercury.

Haylie Pomroy

Right.

Andrew Campbell

Let's say that you and I work in a lab that uses mercury, and we eventually get affected. We check our blood and we are positive for mercury. So first of all, is a little bit of mercury okay? No, none.

Second, we decide to get chelated for the mercury, but we continue working at the lab. Is that going to work? No.

Third, we have to leave. And let's say we move to New Zealand. Okay, it's surrounded by water, hills, dales, mountains, beaches, everything else. Are we going to get well?

No. This is a toxin. This is a molecule — we need to detoxify it. There's no other way. You've got to get rid of the toxin.

Haylie Pomroy

I would say there's passive cleansing and active detoxifying, and active detoxifying is a lot — it's a highly nutrient-dependent process. The body has to feel metabolically safe. It has to have what it needs.

And I think that's why testing is really important in my clinical space, because the more we know about what's within the body, the more we know what to augment the body with to get it out.

Andrew Campbell

Correct. And this is where your knowledge of metabolism comes in, because that is so important — this affects the metabolism. But once you start helping the metabolism with the right foods, number one, and second, by getting detoxified with antifungal treatment et cetera, that helps you, and then your metabolism joins up. It wants to be normal. It wants to go back to how it was, and that helps you.

Haylie Pomroy

Yeah, it does. Well, Dr. Campbell, thank you so much for coming on. I know you guys are going to keep posting questions — we'll get back to them.

And Dr. Campbell, do you know off the top of your head the approximate cost for the direct-to-consumer test?

Andrew Campbell

So once you detox the body from mercury, glyphosate, mycotoxins, and so on and so forth — and this was shown by a study with a colleague of mine, a professor at MIT in the AI lab, a wonderful lady. She showed the same thing with glyphosate. It goes away. It fades.

So at six months — and it's in the PowerPoint — you're back to normal. Your mycotoxins are no longer there. They're back to normal. Your IgG and your IgE are gone.

Haylie Pomroy

Do you think that we always need outside support once the toxin is in the body?

Andrew Campbell

No, because a toxin will cause a disorder. For example, mycotoxins are carcinogenic. So I don't want a person to wait, because it can take up to 10 years after exposure for that to manifest. You might be fine now, but 10 years later — uh-oh.

Haylie Pomroy

Right. You've got to get it out.

Andrew Campbell

It's important to get rid of this stuff and get it out of the body.

Haylie Pomroy

What is the average cost for the direct consumer to run a mycotoxin lab?

Andrew Campbell

The test is $390. And you get 28 test results and a complimentary Zoom call.

Haylie Pomroy

You know, I'm going to throw this out there — my community's going to go, oh, my team's going to hide under the table — but we're going to run some sort of scholarship. We'd love to offer this to one of our community members. And if you're willing to go over that Zoom call with us as a community, right, so we can learn about you and learn about each other in the process, my team will send something out about that.

Dr. Campbell, we just want to bring more people in the direction of health. And being able to lean on you — for my family, for my community, and for all of the clients that we're able to reach — has meant the world to me. So I just want to thank you for coming. I will be talking to you more and soon.

And I hope that we can do something with Dr. Theoharides. I know that you're so close with Dr. Aristo Vojdani as well — we love working together with him. But having you guys come here so generously with your time, I cannot tell you the lives that you're changing. So thank you so much for being here, from all of my community to you, from my family to you. And I look forward to talking to you again soon.

Andrew Campbell

It was wonderful being on your program again. Thank you so much for having me, and thank you everybody else for listening. I wish you all wonderful health.

Haylie Pomroy

Thank you. Bye everybody.


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